Bopping the Landbots ! LOL & The Landbots Bop Back!

As we gather steam for a potential class action suit, I began to investigate the landbot behavior. Of course, as soon as I write this, the landbot owners will revise their code, but in the meantime, this is quite an appropriate temporary result.

I bought a 1,024 server piece of land for about 6,500 at auction. I split it into 16m2, and yes, I know, those who hate the 16m2 parcel problem won't like this game, but who cares. SL is so segmented and spotted at this point, what's the difference? Anyway, as ya all know, a 1,024 piece of server can be split into 64 separate pieces. Then I tested the resistance price of the bots, that is, what is the highest price they'd pay. Apparently, they're not yet programmed at the per m2 price, but instead at the per server piece price, which seems to mean, they'll buy any parcel size at their preset maximum allowable price.

I found one maximum payable price was 150L per 16m2, so if sold most of the 16m2 prices at that low price, I could nearly double my money, and if I keep a few, then those few are only costing me less than a $1 U.S. per 16m2 parcel retained. So, I "sold" about 48 16m2 pieces to bots.... and kept the other 16 pieces of 16m2 server space. The net result, is the bot owner now owns a mottled piece of server barely worth anything to anybody because the pieces I kept cut holes in the middle of the remaining pieces purchased by the bot, and consequently increased the tier payable by the landbot owner for what is now worthless land.

Not exactly the right solution, but at least a temporary plan de' resistance until more momentum is gained by a large enough group to influence LL to stop the bot. I encourage all others against the bot to do the same and will assist with purchase money to do so. Please post and pass this along so that we can share information and ideas.

Update: as of this morning, seems the highest price I could get was 120L per 16m2. To me, still worth the fun and trouble. Seems too that as more bots collected near and on the land, the higher price would climb. Funny, their position is I was ruining the sim.. guess that's a good sign in this case since it seems to suggest the value of the what they bought is lower than they anticipated! Exactly the right result to discourag their activity. As for the sim? Well, it's just server space anyway, right? Good luck!

UPDATE: Well, I was surprised by the little uproar by Nobody Fugazi, and Sara Nerd to my investigation techniques; like the small plot I used is gonna make any real difference... ah well. Seems my investigation turned their stomachs, so I'm' bowing out of the landbot thing. No real interest anyway it seems after all that, just a lot of agendas. I'll resign from the group firs chance I get to connect to SL again, leaving Bailey in charge. Good luck everyone.

Comments

[James Bartleman]

Sarah/Stuck/JJ aka V,

What is the difference between what you are doing and what Marc is doing and what landbots does?

You guys are really look like clowns in a circus right now. Doing a favor for the people eh?

You all blog about landbots so that you can gain popularity and that is what Marc has done - in the mean time making money. Has anyone of you really consider finding a useful solution other than to just write crap all the time with one sided stories? Really think about it.

‘Stuck’ when did people start loving you man? It’s funny how the world spins here - now some of you are sleeping with landbot owners just so that each other can benefit - mutual partnership. Great idea.

Why don’t you include Marc in it too? Well he is known for his controversial crap to gain popularity, he can maybe bring you some fame too.

What a bunch of crooks.

oh one more thing, what did you do with the money you collected on WSE?

oh Sarah, look what you have taught some of the newbies now, how to cut and sell lands at 16sqm pieces and make money.

Job well done.

JB

[Nobody Fugazi]

Your focus on landbots has just been used to legitimize ad spam extortion, thanks to your own actions.

It isn't funny, and it is just trading one group of unscrupulous business people for others. I'd suggest you quit with 16 m plots or you'll find yourself on a few community lists that can make your Second Life experience less pleasant. That I even mentioned that is sad - you should have known that.

[Ciaran Laval]

Marc you'd have been better by not taking the "The land is likely to be a mess anyway" approach and not selling the 16m parcels. They will be used and they will be an eyesore which isn't just bad for the land they're on, your neighbours won't be best pleased either.

I know you're trying to undermine bots but you're also undermining the community at large.

[Marc Woebegone]

The 16m2 ad thing is a non-issue to me. A long long time ago, I found nice aesthetics in SL, but that stopped long ago, and the 16m2 ad thing to me is just one more part of SL's natural evolutionary segmentation. Further, in that there's only a few that talk about it, and ther's thousands more registered to SL, the impact of my subdivisions are so minimal as not to matter in the larger scheme of things. Sorry anyone finds it disappointment, but again, it's a nonissue for me.

[Sarah Nerd]

James I posted a response on my own blog. I'm not going to repeat the same answer on site after site like You did with your nut case conspiracy theory uneducated comment.
http://www.your2ndplace.com/node/737

[Marc Woebegone]

UPDATE: Well, I was surprised by the little uproar by Nobody Fugazi, and Sara Nerd to my investigation techniques; like the small plot I used is gonna make any real difference... ah well. Seems my investigation turned their stomachs, so I'm' bowing out of the landbot thing. No real interest anyway it seems after all that, just a lot of agendas. I'll resign from the group firs chance I get to connect to SL again, leaving Bailey in charge. Good luck everyone.

[Ciaran Laval]

Marc I hope you didn't resign from the group, your intentions were good but this is a controversial business. You of all people can surely take that on the chin. We need a united front on this.

[Marc Woebegone]

Hi Ciaran

Appreciate the concern, and thank you, my chin is fine. LOL.

Unfortunately, I can't be a part of something where the primary spokespersons, like sarah nerd, take to public blogging about issues internal to the group and sacrifice the best interests of the group in doing so to publicize their blogs. I certainly can't help anywhere my "credibility" is already undermined by someone important to the group that I'm supposed to be helping.

So, I wish you luck and suggest you ask Sarah to contact one of the many others that were willing to volunteer their legal expertise to help, and also you might try contacting the SL Bar Association. Perhaps if Sarah's many contacts fail, they might be able to put you in touch with someone she approves of so the group can stay intact.

Seriosly, you need to stay cohesive to succeed.

I'll continue to watch and post and if I can help, am happy to do so. For now, however, that's not possible.

Regards,

Marc

[Jezebel Bailey]

Marc, Sarah, Nobody, and everybody else--

1st Marc, I was unaware of this blog or what you had done or tried to do, for whatever reason. Someone else suggested the same thing to me tonight and I know understand what they meant. I suppose I am just not into the realestate market enough to be ontop of the AD wars that go on. But this is another issue completely from the landbot issues. Infact, there are 2 seperate issues with the landbots, one with the other realestate people who get land taken by the landbots before they can even see them. The other, which is most important to me because it involves innocent, unaware, uneducated in the SL evils that can happen, loosing not just money but the time and hard work (I know what I am talking about) that is involved sometimes in a persons land.
We all need to get back to finding a solution that will work. It doesn't do any good to fight against each other. Marc, I was very grateful for lending me your name for the short time that you did to get some awareness out there. And to be fair to Marc, I have seen him up and leave an interview because the interviewer was more interested in what he was doing than about the landbots. Whether Marc was in it for the publicity which he certainly had enough of already, or was sincere, I didn't really care as long as it was helping get the issues out front.
Sarah - your friendship with a bot owner is no ones business but yours. I do not have to agree with anyone else, but that doesn't mean I cannot be friends with them. There are two sides to every coin. Just think how boring it would be to agree with everyone on everything. If they didn't agree they would have to be enemies? No, I think not.
Nobody - how come I am not a blogger on Your2ndplace.com? I do not blog enough?

Everyone else - there are moral and ethical laws. They do not always coincide with legal laws. When playing a game we depend on other players not to cheat. To give you all the rules before you begin. You should be aware of the sandtraps and monsters out there. If not then we are given another chance.

Well in SL...there are no 2nd chances, so we are trying to change the game so everyone can play on a level playing field. (At least to start)

Jez Bailey

P.S. Celene Ballinger = Chikaa Masala

[Marc Woebegone]

Hi Jez

Hope all is well with you. Appreciate your comments, but it's clear to me there's no interest in organizing a real campaign against the landbots. Also, just read lately about the possible public landbot to be created and released, and love that idea.... self-help.

I may try that too for the fun of it.

Best of luck to you and your endeavors.

Enjoyed working with you.

Marc

[Nobody Fugazi]

@Jezebel - I've been having system problems, but you will be listed ASAP. It was an oversight on my part - apologies.

As for the rest - listen, if someone can't fess up when they screw up, I don't deal with them. I admit my screwups all the time, I expect the same from people around me. That, however, requires less ego and more thought toward the common good.

[Marc Woebegone]

Nobody... if ur referring to me, I just don't understand why you have self-declared yourself the final arbiter on what constitutes a screw up.. if ur talking about someone else, then you might want to clarify exactly what it is ur talking about.

I have no problem fessing up to a screw up if I've screwed up. In any event, your post merely amplifies my observation. Good luck with your judgmental self.

M